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Post by ole on Aug 29, 2018 19:10:46 GMT
Hello, after a ten years break I restarted the restoration of my Bug. It has new paint, is back on the wheels and just need some wiring. I'm not good with electrical things, so I need your help: The owner before me pulled all cable from the wiper plug. Can PLEASE anyone post a picture of the plug, both sides, so I can see where the cable go? I melted a box of fuses meanwhile, I can't figure out... Thank you, Ole    |
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Post by Nobla on Aug 29, 2018 19:50:25 GMT
Hi Ole, The man you need to see is sd1 (Steve) he often comes on the forum and he is a mind of information where electrics are concerned. He is currently wiring his own restoration at the moment and he can possibly point you in the right direction. Hope this is helpful for you. Best of luck! |
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Post by Stiffy on Aug 30, 2018 6:19:29 GMT
There is a wiring diagram on here with the wiper motor featured on it. :-) ibb.co/guzVOx |
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Post by ole on Aug 30, 2018 6:35:42 GMT
Thank you Nobla,
than I will keep my fingers crossed that Steve will come across my post!
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Post by ole on Aug 30, 2018 6:38:13 GMT
There is a wiring diagram on here with the wiper motor featured on it. :-) ibb.co/guzVOxThank you, I already have this, but unfortunately it does not show where the cables go at the wiper motor plug.... or I didn't understand  |
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Post by bondbug750 on Aug 30, 2018 7:23:04 GMT
Hang on ...I'll seek out the diagram that relates the wires to the small numbers that are embossed on the plastic on the back of switch adjacent to the respective terminals
1st step ensure that the dashboard switch correct ...it should have numbers on the back:
terminal 1 goes to brown light green
terminal 2 goes to PLG (note: this is in fact red light green the great majority of Bugs)
terminal 3 is not used
terminal 4 goes to green (power supply into the dashboard switch)
Now the socket that goes on to the wiper itself ...once again the terminal sockets have embossed numbers:
1 Black (earth)
2 Red light green (from the dashboard switch)
3 is not used
4 Green ...note direct power supply (i.e. nothing to do with the dash board wiper on/off switch) ...this Green provides momentary power for the wiper blade parking action (via an internal switch in the wiper motor) when the dashboard switch is switched off
5 Brown light green (from the dashboard switch)
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Post by ole on Aug 30, 2018 11:01:43 GMT
Hang on ...I'll seek out the diagram that relates the wires to the small numbers that are embossed on the plastic on the back of switch adjacent to the respective terminals 1st step ensure that the dashboard switch correct ...it should have numbers on the back: terminal 1 goes to brown light green terminal 2 goes to PLG (note: this is in fact red light green the great majority of Bugs) terminal 3 is not used terminal 4 goes to green (power supply into the dashboard switch) Now the socket that goes on to the wiper itself ...once again the terminal sockets have embossed numbers: 1 Black (earth) 2 Red light green (from the dashboard switch) 3 is not used 4 Green ...note direct power supply (i.e. nothing to do with the dash board wiper on/off switch) ...this Green provides momentary power for the wiper blade parking action (via an internal switch in the wiper motor) when the dashboard switch is switched off 5 Brown light green (from the dashboard switch) You are great! Thanks a lot, I will check later today and report |
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Post by sd1 on Aug 30, 2018 13:19:44 GMT
All the best with the electrics
always here to help if I can.
steve
sd1
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Post by vkh307h on Aug 31, 2018 8:41:54 GMT
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Post by ole on Sept 1, 2018 16:23:48 GMT
Hi again, my son and I had a nice garage day today.  I figured out where the cable go into the plug, thank you again for the nice support. So far so good, but there is another end of the of the plug-switch. There are 3 pins, but only 2 cable. Can you please help with this too?  |
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Post by ole on Sept 1, 2018 20:24:57 GMT
Also there is a bulb, it shows when the turn indicator is on. It dangles around, where has it usual its place?  |
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Post by Nobla on Sept 1, 2018 22:30:20 GMT
Hi Ole
Its in the centre of the canopy at the bottom edge of the windscreen.
Hope this has been helpful. |
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Post by ole on Sept 2, 2018 6:17:26 GMT
Hi Ole
Its in the centre of the canopy at the bottom edge of the windscreen.
Hope this has been helpful. Thank you! And it is only the bulb? No housing? |
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Post by bondbug750 on Sept 3, 2018 8:28:18 GMT
There is an amber bulb holder ...EvilBuy: Lucas warning light  If you doing wiring it might be an idea to put a blue headlight warning light in the same position on the canopy edge adjacent to the indicator warning light (because the high beam light on the speedo can't be seen any more easily than the indicator warning on the speedo can) In addition ...you can get an indicator warning buzzer off EvilBuy so that you have much better warning of inadvertently leaving the indicators on which is always a big risk since we are all so used to self cancelling indicators these days - safety first eh? :-) |
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Post by ole on Sept 3, 2018 19:46:49 GMT
There is an amber bulb holder ...EvilBuy: Lucas warning light If you doing wiring it might be an idea to put a blue headlight warning light in the same position on the canopy edge adjacent to the indicator warning light (because the high beam light on the speedo can't be seen any more easily than the indicator warning on the speedo can) In addition ...you can get an indicator warning buzzer off EvilBuy so that you have much better warning of inadvertently leaving the indicators on which is always a big risk since we are all so used to self cancelling indicators these days - safety first eh? :-) You are right, a buzzer is a good idea! Thank you! |
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Post by ole on Sept 3, 2018 20:18:48 GMT
Can anyone please help with the cable on the other side of the wiper motor plug? There is a blue an a red cable coming from the wiper motor, going to the plugs underside. There are 3 connectors, but 2 cable, that overwhelms me.  |
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Post by Stiffy on Sept 3, 2018 20:45:58 GMT
Are you sure thats a bug wiper motor ?
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Post by ole on Sept 3, 2018 21:07:51 GMT
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Post by cdb15 on Sept 3, 2018 22:05:43 GMT
I think this will give you what you want. It's a Lucas 14W self-parking motor. This article shows the wiring connections, and it was written by Tony Stafford who for many years was head of development at Reliant www.s-v-c.co.uk/wiper-systems/www.s-v-c.co.uk/about-us/AlBr (sub)3 Is this part of the query?  |
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Post by Stiffy on Sept 3, 2018 22:44:24 GMT
I will get mine out of the shed tommorow and compare it. Something looks wrong to me but Im not sure.
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Post by ole on Sept 4, 2018 6:36:08 GMT
I will get mine out of the shed tommorow and compare it. Something looks wrong to me but Im not sure. Cool, thank you! |
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Post by ole on Sept 4, 2018 20:09:48 GMT
I think this will give you what you want. It's a Lucas 14W self-parking motor. This article shows the wiring connections, and it was written by Tony Stafford who for many years was head of development at Reliant www.s-v-c.co.uk/wiper-systems/www.s-v-c.co.uk/about-us/AlBr (sub)3 Is this part of the query? Oh, I didn't notice this post before, sorry! Thats great information, thanks a lot. I will check tomorrow! Referring to the text I have a single speed motor, because there are only 2 cables to the motor. But unfortunately the text also doesn't explain how to wire the motor to the self parking switch!? |
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Post by cdb15 on Sept 4, 2018 22:51:27 GMT
Oh, I didn't notice this post before, sorry! Thats great information, thanks a lot. I will check tomorrow! Referring to the text I have a single speed motor, because there are only 2 cables to the motor. But unfortunately the text also doesn't explain how to wire the motor to the self parking switch!? Are you saying that in your situation the three wires connecting parts 11 and 12 have been disconnected ? This wiper motor was very widely used and new, refurbished and used versions are readily available, from Mini and MGB specialists and on eBay - just Google "Lucas 14w". So one easy option is just to buy a complete replacement motor. Another option is to buy the new part 11 such as here: www.ebay.co.uk/i/192337647232?chn=ps which has the wires already connected, then you can ask the supplier for details of connecting these wires to part 12. Since this part costs £15 but you can get an entire motor for just £30 I would buy a used motor. This will show you how to connect the unit you have, plus give you a complete spare unit for just an extra £15. SEE next post too!! |
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Post by cdb15 on Sept 4, 2018 23:02:47 GMT
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Post by ole on Sept 5, 2018 5:47:01 GMT
This is what I need! Thank you so much!!!! The text of the s-v-c page says "If purchasing a second hand motor make sure there are 3 wires going into the motor body. This is the way to tell if the motor is 2-speed, 1 speed only has 2 wires." So I have a 1-speed motor with one cable less, but the drawing shows a red and a blue cable so I guess I can use this connectors. Thank you for your help, much appriciated!!! |
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Post by ole on Sept 5, 2018 17:18:54 GMT
IT IS WORKING, HURRAY!!!
Thank you to all who helped to fix it!!!
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Post by cdb15 on Sept 5, 2018 23:12:24 GMT
If your connector plug has the necessary pins, you may be able to convert to dual speed by fitting the appropriate component such as the one I mentioned before: www.ebay.co.uk/i/192337647232?chn=psSVC would probably be able to confirm this. Typically two-speed motors work by splitting the power supply along two paths - one is straight to the motor, the other goes through a resistor and then to the motor, effectively reducing the voltage supplied to run the motor. All the third wire does as far as I can see is to provide this second route for the power. Probably if you convert to two speeds your present single speed will be the high speed. However, I am not certain that this is the case for you, so I advise you check with SVC. SVC also supply this part. |
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Post by ole on Sept 7, 2018 20:53:10 GMT
If your connector plug has the necessary pins, you may be able to convert to dual speed by fitting the appropriate component such as the one I mentioned before: www.ebay.co.uk/i/192337647232?chn=psSVC would probably be able to confirm this. Typically two-speed motors work by splitting the power supply along two paths - one is straight to the motor, the other goes through a resistor and then to the motor, effectively reducing the voltage supplied to run the motor. All the third wire does as far as I can see is to provide this second route for the power. Probably if you convert to two speeds your present single speed will be the high speed. However, I am not certain that this is the case for you, so I advise you check with SVC. SVC also supply this part. Thank you, but for the first I will effort all money to bring it back on the road. Fine tuning later, I still have several investments to do, all body seals, doors and more.... |
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